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The Winchester 30-30 has been around for over a century and it's still the most popular deer cartridge in the U.S. Why is it after all these years the best seller, especially with all the modern, flat shooting cartridges available to hunters today?
Here are a few reasons for the popularity of the little "Thutty Thutty".
For one thing, the rifles that are chambered for the 30-30 are inexpensive when compared to other rifles chambered for other rounds. It's not uncommon to find a Model 94 Winchester or Marlin 336 in good shape at a Pawn Shop for under $200. These guns are capable of producing acceptable accuracy for deer hunting out to 100 yards or more with a little practice.
Ammo for the 30-30 is generally a few bucks (no pun intended) cheaper than other ammo as well.
The light recoil of rifles chambered for the 30-30 Winchester make them desirable for new Hunters, Women and those who only shoot a rifle a few times a year not to mention those Hunters that are sensitive to recoil.
Finally, the round itself is a solid round. I think it's safe to say the 30-30 Winchester has probably taken everything that walks North America.
The 150 and 170 Grain bullets carry enough punch to do a Deer in at ranges out to around 200 yards. Personally, if I knew there would be a chance of a shot like that, I'd use the 170 grain bullet or the new Hornady LeveRevolution.
Speaking of the new Hornady LeveRevolution's, I've never used these rounds. But from what I'm gathering from Hunters in the fields and on the message boards, these rounds are everything they have been touted to be. Flat shooting and hard hitting.
For those of you who have not heard about the LeveRevolution, they are a polymer spire pointed bullet designed to be used in tubular magazines. The tip is soft and collapses. Hornady and a few Gun Writers have been reporting exceptional accuracy out to 250 yards with these new rounds.
I would never classify the Thutty Thutty as an Elk or Grizzly Bear round, but they have fallen to the 30-30. I've read stories about some Black Bear guides in Canada who prefer the 30-30 over a shotgun because of the quick handling characteristics and short range stopping energy of the 170 grain bullet.
Hunters using the Winchester 30-30 have several choices when it comes to ammo.
Remington offers the 125 grain Accelerator and most ammo manufacturers offer both the 150 and 170 grain factory loads. I've always preferred the 170 grain offerings over the 150 grainers. Don't ask me why, I just prefer the heavier bullet. The LeveRevolution comes in a 160 grain spire tip.
For several years, I used the Remington 170 grain hollow points. These were deadly Deer takers! I stopped using them when I shot a large 8 point at about 80 yards. I later found the fragmented bullet on the far front leg, a few inches above the elbow, where it had broken the bone. I wasn't crazy about finding pieces of my bullet even if it had went through the buck and busted his leg on the far side. I went back to the 170 grain soft nosed bullets.
Many so called Professional Gun Writers over the years have put down the little Thutty Thutty, saying things like it wasn't adequate out past 75 yards, that it wasn't accurate enough for deer hunting, etc. It was obvious that they had never shot a 30-30 or had just borrowed one in order to write an article.
I have a theory of why blunt tipped bullets in rounds like the 30-30 Winchester kill deer better than what many Gun Writers would like.
I believe that a blunt tipped bullet, be it a round nose or flat nose, delivers more of its kinetic energy upon impact than spire tipped bullets. Even the poly tipped bullets have to penetrate a certain depth before the start expanding and delivering their load of kinetic energy. Truth be known, many of spire pointed bullets use up the majority of their kinetic energy in the dirt on the other side of the animal.
Blunt tipped bullets are also known to penetrate deep. Couple this with the shock due to the sudden impact of a blunt tipped bullet and you have a recipe for a quick kill on a game animal.
Whether you contemplating buying a rifle for a first time hunter, or buying a rifle for yourself, don't count out the Winchester 30-30 and the Rifles it is chambered for. They're perfect for the first time hunter or the Old Fart who just wants a lighter hunting rifle. Put a quality scope on the top of the rifle and you'll have a life long rifle that will bring home the Venison if the shooter does their job!
Billy Bob lives in Lousianna and considers hunting and fishing the only sport for real men. When he's not paddling his pirot through the swamps hunting gators and fishing for crappie, he's deer hunting or visiting his favorite deer hunting blog, the Buck Hunters Blog. Billy Bob is obviously a Winchester 30-30 lover and has taken many an old swamp buck with one.
Right On Target, Find The Right Bow!
For the very best experiences when you bow hunt, you need to pay special attention to the weight of the arrows you wish to use as well as how stiff the shaft should be in order to work the best with the draw weight and the length of the arrows you are using. It isn't always a good idea to use the lightest and fastest arrows available because they can actually cause damage to your bow. Light arrows and heavy arrows generally absorb the same amount of energy from the bow but lighter arrows result in the bow vibrating much more, which can result in damage to it.
The Archery Manufacturer's Organization, known as AMO recommends the standard minimum weight for an arrow to be six grains for each pound of the bow's maximum draw weight. According to this calculation 360 grain arrows should be used with a 60 pound bow. Keep in mind that heavy hunting arrows weigh approximately 8 - 10 grains per pound. If you want more speed then use lighter arrows of only 5 grains per pound, but don't use anything lighter than that.
The stiffness of the shaft is very important because of the pull and release methods used when the arrows leave the bow. Finger release arrows offer oscillations that are called paradox that begin the moment the string leaves your fingers. This is why you have to bend the shaft of the arrow at precisely the right moment in order to get it to pass the bow without hitting the riser. To get the best flight for your arrows, the shafts have to be a good match for your bow and for your personal style of releasing them. Mechanical release bows contain less flex with most of it being up and down movements. This will allow you to be able to use a wider range of arrows with different shaft stiffness and still have it fly well. For more info see http://www.deerelkhunting.com/locations/Hunting-Wyoming.html
Another important issue that you need to consider is point weight because it relates to the stiffness of the arrows, especially if you are using a bow where the arrow is released with your fingers. Make sure you determine the broad head weight you will need for what you are hunting before you buy any arrows. It is also a good idea to practice with field object that are going to be of a similar weight.
If you are going to hunt whitetail deer then chances are you will be shooting from approximately 20 yards away. Most medium weight arrows can handle this distance without any trouble. Remember that heavier arrows require you to be more accurate but the shot will be quieter as well as penetrate the animal deeper. Lightweight arrows are perfect for practicing, but they are best left unused unless you have excellent vision and normally hunt at a distance of 25 yards or more. Choosing the right arrows for bow hunting involves looking at your style, the type of bow you use, and trying out various types of arrows to find those that work best for you.
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What rifle cartridge for all WA game under 200 yards.?
No magnums
Best overall rate of twist for various grain bullets.
I prefer 22"-24" barrel
I am thinking .308, .270, or 7mm-08
Probably not hunting large elk or bear.
(I know there is no magic rifle but make your case as best as you can)
Under $800 new
any of the 3 cartridges you mention, as well as many others, will achieve your goal. Personally, I would opt for the 7mm/08
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